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COURT OF APPEAL (CRIMINAL DIVISION)
ON APPEAL FROM CROWN COURT AT SNARESBROOK
HIS HONOUR JUDGE MEDAWAR QC AND A JURY
Strand, London, WC2A 2LL |
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DEPUTY CHIEF JUSTICE OF ENGLAND AND WALES
MRS JUSTICE RAFFERTY
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THE HON. SIR DOUGLAS BROWN
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Hearing date: 20th July 2005
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Crown Copyright ©
Lord Justice Judge:
"The defendant denies at any point wounding the alleged victim intentionally. The defendant does not dispute being involved in a confrontation with the alleged victim and other persons on the date in question. … The defendant accepts that at one point he showed a glass jar in order to defend himself. He denies at any point making contact with anyone with the glass jar intentionally."
"The Judge: It is certainly not self defence.
Counsel: And accident.
Judge: It is certainly not self defence. It may be - it appears to be what this document is saying is that it is some sort of accident.
Counsel: Yes, it is …
Judge: Where do you expect that to go?
Counsel: Your Honour: the defendant's case is that as they were struggling together they fell onto the floor and the jar broke and that's how the injuries were caused.
Judge: I've never heard of such rubbish …"
"Counsel: So this injury to Mr Karadag was purely accidental, was it?
A: It was accidental.
Q: No question here of you injuring Mr Karadag in self defence?
A: We fell to the ground. That's how he sustained his injuries.
Q: Just answer my questions, Mr Dickens.
A: Sorry.
Q: This was a pure accident? There was no question of you deliberately hitting Mr Karadag but in self defence? You know the difference between an accident and self defence?
A: I do. It was in self defence. We fell to the ground and that's how he sustained the injury.
Q: Now, think very carefully before you answer my next question, Mr Karadag (sic). Was there a time in your mind when this was self defence?
A: No.
Q: You have always believed, have you, in your mind that this was an accident?
A: Correct."
"I was scared. It was just to keep him away from me because I had already been hit by this trolley."
"I already explained this, you know. It was when we fell that I believe that he got this cut on his face. That's the only way that I can see that he has sustained this injury."
"He pushed the trolley into me. He didn't actually beat me up, but together they beat me up, yes."
"Certainly not, the way this case has been run this is not the time to raise it, the time to have raised it would have been with the prosecution before we started, to career on with a false suggestion of self defence which plainly it was not and then to accident I am afraid you pay for the consequences, the defendant does, this is quite plainly been section 18 from start to finish."
"He went on to say that this was not in self defence. It was an accident. He admitted that until December 2004 his case was that he had been acting in self defence. He was then admitting that he had shown a glass jar to defend himself. He said he was simply trying to keep the manager away."