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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> England and Wales Court of Appeal (Criminal Division) Decisions >> Cremin, R. v [2007] EWCA Crim 666 (16 January 2007) URL: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2007/666.html Cite as: [2007] EWCA Crim 666 |
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CRIMINAL DIVISION
Strand London, WC2 |
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B e f o r e :
MR JUSTICE NELSON
MR JUSTICE GRIFFITH WILLIAMS
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PATRICIA CREMIN |
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MISS E EDHEM appeared on behalf of the APPELLANT
MR O GLASGOW appeared on behalf of the CROWN
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"What is meant by possession? For practical purposes in this case it means knowing it is there [a quantity of ammunition] and having a measure of control over it."
"... did she have control over it? That is not in the sense that she could do as she liked, but that she knew it was there and that while she was there she was living with it, putting up with it, not reporting it to the police, not leaving, not throwing it out and getting rid of it, but having it there just as you might possess something in your own house even if you do not own it."
"... the police case and the video is that it [the ammunition] was all over the place. If you accept that and find that she must have known and stayed in the house and lived with that ammunition then you may reach the view that she possessed it. It is a matter for you. ... However, if she did not know it was lying all over the place then you are unlikely to be very impressed by what was in the ammunition box and in the filing cabinet. So my advice to you is to concentrate on what the Crown say was everything and decide what you think about that."
"If it is clear to you, so that you are sure, that she must have known and accepted and remained in possession of the ammunition in the flat in that time, she would be guilty on that count. I think it would be unfair to her to invite you to go into careful guesswork as to what she knew about whether or not there were contents in the ammunition box and the filing cabinet."
In other words, he was, shortly before the jury retired, making it clear to them that it was the ammunition lying around in the transparent bags on which they should concentrate.
"... clarification on the definition of possession in the context of this case, especially count 2."
"There are two items to possession: one is knowledge that the thing exists, as opposed to exact knowledge of what it is, and the other is what the old legal writers used to call the intention to possess. Possession, of course, is not the same as owning."