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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> England and Wales Court of Appeal (Criminal Division) Decisions >> NW, R v [2010] EWCA Crim 404 (03 March 2010) URL: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2010/404.html Cite as: [2010] 2 Cr App R 8, [2010] EWCA Crim 404, [2010] 2 Cr App Rep 8, (2010) 174 JP 487, [2010] 1 WLR 1426, [2010] WLR 1426, [2010] Crim LR 723 |
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COURT OF APPEAL (CRIMINAL DIVISION)
ON APPEAL FROM THE CROWN COURT AT CROYDON
(His Honour Judge Waller)
T20080945
Strand, London, WC2A 2LL |
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B e f o r e :
MR JUSTICE SILBER
and
MR JUSTICE KENNETH PARKER
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THE QUEEN |
Respondent |
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NW |
Appellant |
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Mr. Martin Goudie for the respondent
Hearing dates : 11th February 2010
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Crown Copyright ©
Lord Justice Moore-Bick :
"2.— Violent disorder.
(1) Where 3 or more persons who are present together use or threaten unlawful violence and the conduct of them (taken together) is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety, each of the persons using or threatening unlawful violence is guilty of violent disorder.
(2) It is immaterial whether or not the 3 or more use or threaten unlawful violence simultaneously."
"Violent disorder is of course a statutory offence defined by section 2 of the Public Order Act. In contradistinction to a riot, which is covered by section 1 of the same Act, it is not part of the offence that those present have to have a common purpose. Indeed classically in violent disorder very often there is no common purpose other than that one group or other wishes to fight another group, and sometimes then all turning on the police.
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Once the violence had been commenced by [N] against the officers and others joined in, whether it was because they saw a chance to attack [the] officers or whether it was defence of another which went beyond reasonable lawful self-defence, the offence would be made out."
"What do you have to be sure about? Well, you have to be sure there are three or more persons present together. One of those is obviously the defendant. Others may be known persons or unknown persons. In this case the prosecution say they are unknown persons. Some of the girls, some of the young men who were there, they say, were using or threatening unlawful violence on this occasion, and they were present together, all together. They must use or threaten unlawful violence, either is sufficient, and the conduct of them taken together must be such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety. They don't all have to act simultaneously.
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So before you could convict [N] of violent disorder you must be sure that she used or threatened unlawful violence of the type that I have said; that there were three or more persons in total behaving in that way; . . .
So also before you could convict [N] of violent disorder you would have to be sure that at least three persons were present together using or threatening unlawful violence. I will come to self-defence in a moment."
(i) that the Judge should have withdrawn the count of violent disorder from the jury or should have directed a verdict of 'Not guilty' on that charge at the close of the prosecution's case; and(ii) that the judge directed the jury wrongly in relation to the offence of violent disorder.
"There need be no common purpose. Each of the three or more persons may have a different purpose or no purpose."
In our view that correctly reflects the natural meaning of the section.
"It will be noted that the offence denotes the element of "combination" or numbers which is common to both offences which replace unlawful assembly by the requirement that there be three or more persons present together. We have referred to the fundamental importance of this element and the number has been set at three, which accords with the common law requirement in regard to both unlawful assembly and riot. It will be noted that, in referring to the requisite minimum of three persons "present together", there is no element of common purpose; nor is it necessary that the three should be acting in concert in the sense that they are doing the same acts or doing acts directed at the same object. It is, necessary that the conduct, taken together, should be such as would cause fear to a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene."
And in paragraph 7.3, which deals with aiding and abetting offences under the Act, the circumstances required for an offence of violent disorder are said to be "the presence of three or more persons using or threatening violence".