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IN THE MATTER OF X AND Y (CHILDREN)
B e f o r e :
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THE LONDON BOROUGH OF P | Applicant |
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MR G | First Respondent | |
MISS H | Second Respondent | |
- and - X and Y (through their Children's Guardian) |
Third and Fourth Respondent | |
R County Council | Respondent | |
Fifth Respondent | Respondent |
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MR. G. CAMERON (instructed by Legal Services, London Borough of P Council) appeared
on behalf of the Applicant.
MR. SAWTELL appeared on behalf of the First Respondent.
MS. J. BRINDLE appeared on behalf of the Second Respondent.
MR. G. REED appeared on behalf of the Children's Guardian.
MS. MESSENGER appeared on behalf of R County Council.
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JUDGE ROBERTS:
"If the children are placed separately it would mean that the best therapy for these children at the moment is to enjoy a significantly better and more consistent level of empathetic attunement, attention and response from their parents, and it is for this reason, especially in light of the feelings and wishes of the children, that I think there is mileage in considering the separation of the children. Notwithstanding L [who is Miss H's baby] this would mean that Y and X would have considerably more access to the primary attachment figure of their choice."
He says:
"Neither child wishes to compete with each other for parental attention on a daily basis and both would feel something of a sense of empowerment and therefore feeling that they matter by having their feelings and wishes respected and agreed to. Such an arrangement would also hopefully serve to demonstrate to both X and Y that their parents had collaborated to prioritise their needs"
And I very much hope, even though I know this decision is not what Mr. G wants, that he will hear that paragraph. It will be important for both girls to see that their parents have collaborated to ultimately prioritise their needs.
"Primary attachments are more important to children than sibling relationships. The primary attachments provide protection and safety and meet the majority of the basic and complex needs of children. Sibling relationships do not. It is clear that attachments to care givers are significantly more important than attachment to similar age pre-adolescent siblings."
I agree with what has been submitted to me, that there is so much abuse in this family as contained in the reports and I do hope that both parents read them again when the dust has settled. As Dr. Spooner says, and he says it is characteristic of him repeating himself, but I of course am under the same risk:
"I am therefore saying that the greatest risk to these children is continued exposure to their parents' problems. I think this risk overshadows the risks to therefore being separated as long as the parents sort themselves out."
"There is no evidence that I am aware of to suggest that his basic parenting skills and his parenting knowledge are anything other than good enough. The children are reported to have settled well with him since May. They have settled well back into their old schools and they are ostensibly doing well."
He also says that Mr. G can talk the talk about the importance of Miss H and him working together and the importance of them ending their hostility, but Dr. Spooner questioned whether Mr. G can walk the walk, and this was exactly my impression. Mr. G was able to tell me what the problems were and how things should be done, but he was very easily tipped into the sorts of behaviour which Dr. Spooner identified. He was unable to see what he had done wrong, everything was everyone else's fault, and he was negative about the professionals and the mother. On the basis of his written evidence, my impression of him in the witness box and what he said, and on the basis of what Dr. Spooner says and the failure to get Y to see her mother for the last eight weeks, I do not accept his evidence that he is never negative about the professionals or about the mother to the children, and I do not accept his evidence that he does all he can to get Y to spend the time which the court has ordered she should spend with her mother. I conclude that although he loves both girls, and I am sure provides much of what they need, he is not consistently able to meet their emotional needs and this causes particular difficulties for X when she lives with him because her primary loyalty is towards her mother. I am not sure if this point has been dealt with by other judges or not, but there must be no more recording of telephone conversations, or indeed any conversations. Certainly I will not accept any bundle with any transcripts like that in any future hearing.