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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> United Kingdom Employment Appeal Tribunal >> Bates v. Powertech Desing Ltd [2000] EAT 1435_99_2711 (27 November 2000) URL: http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKEAT/2000/1435_99_2711.html Cite as: [2000] EAT 1435_99_2711 |
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At the Tribunal | |
On 7 November 2000 | |
Before
SIR CHRISTOPHER BELLAMY QC
MR A E R MANNERS
MR A D TUFFIN CBE
APPELLANT | |
RESPONDENT |
Transcript of Proceedings
JUDGMENT
Revised
For the Appellant | THE APPELLANT NEITHER PRESENT NOR REPRESENTED |
For the Respondents | THE RESPONDENTS NEITHER PRESENT NOR REPRESENTED |
SIR CHRISTOPHER BELLAMY QC:
"Three months before my holiday on the 1st November 1998 I continually reminded my employer that I needed my holiday pay as well as my wages. On the day of my holiday I received a week's wage with the proviso that the balance would be deposited in my bank the following week, this did not materialise. On my return to work my employer stated that work was coming to an end and he verbally stated to me that I could remain for a further two weeks without the guarantee of a wage or he could make me redundant. On leaving the premises we shook hands and conveyed no hard feelings to one another. My employer then said to me that any monies owing to me with regards to notice in lieu, wages, holiday pay, and redundancy pay would be forwarded to me as soon as possible.
On the 21st January 1999 I wrote a letter to Powertech enquiring about my entitlements and could they possibly send my P45 and P60 out to me. I did not receive any response, so I contacted the local Citizens Advice Bureau who in turn told me to contact the DTI. The DTI acknowledged my claim form and stated they would contact my former employer. Please see exhibit No 1 from the DTI dated the 8th April 1999. On the 12th April I received a letter from my former employer please see exhibit No 2. That was the only correspondence I received from them.
On the 19th May 1999 I contacted Mr Robinson of the DTI who told me that he had sent two reminders to Powertech and would now send out a third. On 1st July I received a letter from the DTI, please see exhibit No 3. Following their advice I completed an IT-1 form and despatched it to you.
I commenced work for Powertech on the 1st December 1994 and was made redundant on the 13th November 1998 and I am still presently unemployed. All I require from Powertech are my wages, holiday pay and redundancy pay (if I am entitled to any?) I therefore await your decision and thank you for your co-operation in this matter."
"6. A claim for a redundancy payment should ordinarily be made within 6 months of the date of termination of employment. Clearly, in this case that did not happen.
7. However, the application was presented within a further 6 months of the expiry of that period and accordingly, he would not be deprived of his right to a redundancy payment if I were to consider that it was just and equitable that he receive one.
8. The first difficulty I considered the applicant had was in establishing that he had been dismissed. Although his Originating Application simply says he was made redundant, his representations refer to a discussion with his employer concerning the possibility of his remaining in employment. It is not apparent how that discussion terminated or whether it is appropriate to regard his employer as having terminated his employment.
9. Accordingly, I was not able to conclude that he had been dismissed and therefore could not reach the view that he was entitled to a redundancy payment.
10. Had that not been the case, again on the basis of the representations made, I still would have been prevented from making an award of a redundancy payment. Because of the late presentation it would have been encumbent upon me to consider the reason shown by the employee for the failure to make his application within the first 6 months. On the basis of the documents before me it appeared that the reason related to correspondence the applicant had had with the Department of Trade and Industry, but the situation was far from clear.
Accordingly and for those reasons I considered the applicant was not entitled to a redundancy payment and his application was dismissed."
"With reference to the decision of the Industrial Tribunal. I would like to point out that in paragraph 9 it stated that a decision could not be reached regarding my dismissal, this was due to lack of evidence. However since the hearing I have obtained proof from the Benefits Agency regarding my dismissal, please see exhibits 1 & 2.
It was also stated (para 6) that I was late in making my appeal. My ex-employer promised me that my entitlements would be despatched to me within a month or so. After that time had elapsed I started to make enquiries. Not knowing the correct procedures I got in touch with the DTI in April and followed their advice. I would therefore like to state that I started my enquiries within the time allowed."
"I was made redundant from Powertech Design Ltd on 13th November 1998 and after several attempts to obtain my wages, holiday pay and redundancy pay I had to contact the citizens advice bureau about what further steps to take. I then contacted the DTI who in turn contacted Powertech Design who tried unsuccessfully to obtain the monies owed to me. Powertech Design ignored the letters the DTI sent and so it had to be referred to the Liverpool Tribunal. No decision was made at the tribunal because of lack of evidence.
I then decided to appeal against the decision when I realised that the Benefits Agency would have on their files the reason I was no longer working at Powertech Design as they had had to contact them before they could make any kind of payments to me."
"On my return to work my employer stated that work was coming to an end and he verbally stated to me that I could remain for a further two weeks without the guarantee of a wage or he could make me redundant. On leaving the premises we shook hands and conveyed no hard feelings to one another. My employer then said to me that any monies owing to me with regards to notice in lieu, wages, holiday pay, and redundancy pay would be forwarded to me as soon as possible."
"(1) An employee does not have any right to a redundancy payment unless, before the end of the period of six months beginning with the relevant date—
(a) the payment has been agreed and paid,
(b) the employee has made a claim for the payment by notice in writing given to the employer,
(c) a question as to the employee's right to, or the amount of, the payment has been referred to an employment tribunal, or
(d) a complaint relating to his dismissal has been presented by the employee under section 111.
(2) An employee is not deprived of his right to a redundancy payment by subsection (1) if, during the period of six months immediately following the period mentioned in that subsection, the employee—
(a) makes a claim for the payment by notice in writing given to the employer,
(b) refers to an employment tribunal a question as to his right to, or the amount of, the payment, or
(c) presents a complaint relating to his dismissal under section 111,
and it appears to the tribunal to be just and equitable that the employee should receive a redundancy payment.
(3) In determining under subsection (2) whether it is just and equitable that an employee should receive a redundancy payment an [employment tribunal] shall have regard to—
(a) the reason shown by the employee for his failure to take any such step as is referred to in subsection (2) within the period mentioned in subsection (1), and
(b) all the other relevant circumstances."
"I contacted the local Citizens Advice Bureau who in turn told me to contact the DTI. The DTI acknowledged my claim form and stated they would contact my former employer. Please see exhibit No 1 from the DTI dated the 8th April 1999. On the 12th April I received a letter from my former employer please see exhibit No 2. That was the only correspondence I received from them.
On the 19th May 1999 I contacted Mr Robinson of the DTI who told me that he had sent two reminders to Powertech and would now send out a third. On 1st July I received a letter from the DTI, please see exhibit No 3. Following their advice I completed an IT-1 form and despatched it to you."
"Thank you for your recent claim for a redundancy payment.
This letter is to acknowledge receipt of your claim form and to let you know that further enquiries are being made with your former employer.
Once these enquiries are complete, I will let you know the position regarding your claim."
"I refer to your application for a redundancy payment direct from the National Insurance Fund under section 166 of the above Act.
I am sorry to tell you that, on behalf of the Secretary of State, I must reject your application. This is because, under the Act, responsibility for making a redundancy payment lies with a person's former employer. However, your employer has either refused to accept liability for your redundancy payment, or acknowledged that a payment is due to you but he/she cannot afford to make the payment. That being the case, a payment cannot be made to you until you have taken certain steps to obtain it from your employer."
The letter then goes on to explain that Mr Bates should apply to an employment tribunal for a redundancy payment. This he apparently did soon afterwards, since the IT1 is stamped as received 15 July 1999.