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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> United Kingdom Employment Appeal Tribunal >> Goetz v. St George's Healthcare NHS Trust [2001] UKEAT 625_99_1810 (18 October 2001) URL: http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKEAT/2001/625_99_1810.html Cite as: [2001] UKEAT 625_99_1810 |
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At the Tribunal | |
Before
THE HONOURABLE MR JUSTICE LINDSAY (PRESIDENT)
MR P A L PARKER CBE
MR G H WRIGHT MBE
APPELLANT | |
RESPONDENT |
Transcript of Proceedings
JUDGMENT
Revised
For the Appellant | NO APPEARANCE OR REPRESENTATION BY OR ON BEHALF OF THE APPELLANT |
For the Respondent | MR A LYNCH QC Instructed by: Bevan Ashford Solicitors 1 Chancery Lane London WC2A ILE |
MR JUSTICE LINDSAY (PRESIDENT)
"Thank you again for your letters of 11 November and 26 October. As indicated in my note of 11 November and my letter of 17 November, I am sorry to have taken so long to reply. I am also very sorry to hear that Mrs Martins is so unwell that you do not expect that she will be able to return to complete this case."
"My application is that the Chairman and remaining Tribunal member make a decision either"
and then she specifies an a) and a b). It is crucial to notice that the application was that consideration of Miss Von Goetz's alternative proposals was asked by her to be given by the two remaining members of the Employment Tribunal and by no one else. Questions could have been raised as to the jurisdiction to proceed in the absence of one member, without the consent or even with the consent of all parties, and, if there was a discretion so to proceed, as to whether it was appropriate to do so on the facts of the case. Miss Von Goetz plainly indicated that she was not willing for the conduct of the whole case to rest in the hands only of the two remaining members, because in the same letter she wrote:
"With regret, I am not willing at this stage to agree to the Chairman and remaining Tribunal member determining the case without there being at least a hearing of further oral points as at a) above. If the Chairman or the respondent should wish to make any comments on my observations I would, of course, be willing to consider them."
"The Chairman has asked me to follow up our letter of 14 December, to explain that happily Mrs Martins is now recovered sufficiently to complete her duties in this case. The chambers hearing on 27 January will be of the full tribunal. The Chairman has decided that this is the proper course, and the applications made by the Applicant in her letter of 25 November are hereby refused."
The Chairman was, in effect, saying that as now, once again there was a viable three person panel, all matters should be considered by that three person panel. It followed that the request that some parts should be considered only by two had been overtaken by events and had to be refused. Indeed, the question would have arisen of whether, if three were available, it could ever have be right to refer to two only. That, were it possible to do, would totally circumvent the careful machinery of the Employment Tribunals Act which requires that not only a legally qualified Chairman should sit amongst the three, but that the two lay members should be balanced so as to come one from one side of employment, one from the other. A moment's attention to the Chairman's letter of 6 January 1999 would have led to the recovery of Mrs Martins being seen to be the crucial factor that had led to the refusal of the application of 25 November. It is, in fact, the only fact described in the Chairman's letter.
"a) that they have not heard evidence to proceed with a hearing in chambers based on incomplete written submissions, and that they will allow a further oral hearing with some further evidence and oral submissions on the applicability of the waiver clause
or
b) that they decide that they are unable or unwilling to make a decision on this preliminary issue and this preliminary issue should be determined when the entire case is heard by the same or another Tribunal so all of the evidence can be heard, findings of fact can be made on the important issues, and conclusions drawn in the usual way, after applying the law."
The Notice of Appeal proceeds on the basis that the fax of 6 January 1999 was a decision refusing a further oral hearing at which oral further evidence and further oral submissions could be made, but it was no such thing. It made only the point that where three members have served and are available to serve, two cannot proceed further.